The incarnations make me think TPM versions. in TPM, Sidious has the edge but slightly (up for debate though). He acquired considerable knowledge in the field of midi-chlorian manipulation, but was ultimately betrayed and murdered by his own apprentice, in accordance with the "Rule of Two." Darth Plagueis was a male Dark Lord of the Sith and the master of Darth Sidious. This would put him at least on the level of or even above the likes of Yarael Poof), Speed: Relativistic with FTL combat speed and reactions (Was Sidious' master and was a contender for the most powerful Sith alive at the time of his death), Lifting Strength: Peak Human; can be augmented to Superhuman levels thanks to Force amplification, Striking Strength: Planet Class with Force amplification, Durability: Street level naturally. And if Vader did enter Oneness as was implied by some sources, no version of Sidious could ever oppose his strength. Darth Plagueis vs DE Darth Sidious: In a neutral setting, where Palpetine is more than a star system(s) shot of his replica bodies. I'm doing specifically for the discussion value of the first round. I suppose it really depends on what your definition of "stomp" is. but does Plagueis haves a chance against RotS Sidious? SHDb; uStats; Intelligence. He acquired considerable knowledge in the field of midi-chlorian manipulation, but was ultimately betrayed and murdered by his own apprentice, in accordance with the "Rule of Two." I put the spoiler alert there for the sake of those of you who are not following Dark Times. Although I do believe that a few of those quotes in regards to Palpatine's supremacy as a Sith were set around this time, meaning he would be more powerful than Plagueis. i guess it would be the same effect so darth plagueis wins! 0. My knowledge in Star Wars EU is low(other than some research), but does Plagueis haves a chance against RotS Sidious? Sahdett himself was skilled enough to outfight Dass Jennir and Kai Hudorra. LOL. 25 wins (92.6%) Darth Sidious Sheev Palpatine: power stats. He loses in all of the other matches. If not, he should probably win more times than not. When does Sidious learn essence transfer? on August 19th 2020, 12:57 am. So I actually found (purely by accident) the source I was searching for that seems to insinuate that Palpatine's physical vitality had not subsided with age: Palpatine affected the simple clothing of a simple man, but drew his powers of persuasion and control from the blackest depths of the dark side of the Force. Still, good to see you haven't vanished into the ether entirely yet. In the Tarkin novel, it has also mentioned about this difference, it was something like Sidious wanted to influence of the ultimate sort while Plagueis wanted to become immortal. Though appearing to be a well-intentioned senator and supporter of democracy before becoming emperor, Palpatine is actually Darth Sidious, the dark lord of the Sith—a cult of practitioners of the dark side of the Force—and master of Darth Maul and Count Dooku. Still, many ask for the exact reason why he hated lightsabers. Round 2: Palpatine takes a solid majority. Leaning towards Sidious. Character overview. This is where the "most powerful Sith Lord" in history accolades start rolling in, outright stating that he's surpassed Plagueis in power. Created by Foxbaku. During the events of Episode 1, Darth Plagueis is still alive, although he is never mentioned or seen on screen (Plagueis wasn't killed until Palpatine was Chancellor). My quote seems more direct and plain-faced, but I'd understand the interpretation of your quote as his lack of physical deterioration. palpatines intrests where ruling an empire and being the big boss and plagueis was more intrested in experimenting different ways of using the force which nobody else could do before him. A notion supported by Luceno's own thoughts regarding interview(s). Also helped orchestrate Darth Sidious' rise to Chancellorship and furthered the Grand Plan along more than previous generations of Banite Sith had ever done. 2. Darth Plagueis was a male Dark Lord of the Sith who, at some point, chose Sheev Palpatine, a human from Naboo, as his apprentice. However, some, and I assume that includes you, reserve the word "stomp" for any ridiculously one-sided victory. @Caelus Pall wrote: Plagueis stomps both rounds. Palpatine was Darth Sidious. on August 28th 2019, 2:52 am. If not, I don't see how Darth Vader manage to grab him and throw him to the reactor shaft, there is no way he could do that to RotS Sidious in my personal opinion. His Master was Darth Plagueis, the wise. 0. ... ''For all Darth Sidious’s talk of his role as his apprentice and … Plagueis actually has really decent chance in a prolonged battle. plagueis allways was expanding his abilities and tried to play god with his force powers.palpatine used his knowledge to get to his final goal and as he had enough of that he killed plagueis, hes not that interested of being the most powerfull in the universe it was just for the means of the purpose. 0. But can they defy the merciless Sith tradition? And in last two he stomps. So I was right to say that TPM / TCW / RotS Sidious is physically more powerful than the RotJ Sidious. A Sith lord with the ability to manipulate life and death, Plagueis is the mentor and murder victim of Palpatine (Darth Sidious). Do you have access to that issue? Edit: Anyways, if we are going by what is shown in the OBD wiki, Plagueis has more power with the force in comparison to Vader (Moon level vs Multi-Continent level), thus Plagueis has the advantage there. I can't remember, Silver mentioned it to me once before. Bump. And I read on a recent thread from the SWTOR forum that status as the most powerful Sith in history may again have been conferred to Sidious in Insider 86. Characters Battles Teams Super Powers Forum Feed Collections. While dying, Darth Tenebrous congratulated Plagueis on succeeding him and on having the courage to take advantage of the situation, but he soon realized that the rockfall crushed the ship they arrived in, which meant both were probably going to die. Darth Sidious himself said that the Sith only used lightsabers to ridicule the Jedi, and, in fact, the Sith actually had no need for this weapon. I have it, yes. Sidious probably wouldn't win round 1. Papetine has yet to be described as the strongest Sith lord evar, an accolade that surfaces during ATOC. if they where in a duell and plagueis would be in his prime, i think plagueis would be strong enough to block of palpatines lightening. Sidious later recounted the tale of his master's demise to lure Anakin Skywalker to the dark side. Sign Up Login. Darth Sidious: In secret he masters the power of the dark side, while publicly climbing to the highest government office. Darth Sidious vs Darth Plagueis. And though the new site looks good and all, I don't really like the new practical applications and settings like the images and quoting. @shootingnova: I never meant his weight, I meant his opposition strength and his reaction to it, pretty sure that prime Sidious could oppose Vader's grab by his superior physical abilities. Intelligence: Skilled and experienced combatant. Still Darth Plagueis via midichlorian manipulation. Darth Tenebrous Death: Plagueis Betrays the Dark Lord. But whatever decision to Chanel their respective force power is , It's going to be an absolute slugging match, with Plagueis caving slowly. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before. Yes, by RotS, he should win just about every time. plagueis allways was expanding his abilities and tried to play god with his force powers.palpatine used his knowledge to get to his final goal and as he had enough of that he killed plagueis, hes not that interested of being the most powerfull in the universe it was just for the means of the purpose. @darthsith500: Why would DE Palpatine "destroy" Plagueis? In my opinion, Palpatine would win very convincingly but not stomp him. And to those of you not following Dark Times...start following Dark Times. if plagueis had lived longer he probably would have tried to become stronger and stronger so palpatine had to stop him while he could. However, I'd argue that your quote is more ambiguous and "sustained him well beyond his years" may simply refer to something like his health. RotJ Sidious, in my personal opinion, physically become weaker than his TCW / RotS version. Round 1: TPM Palpatine would be the Palpatine by the end of the Darth Plagueis novel, so I think this is probably the main one Plagueis has a chance of winning. Then again, there could be somebody to raise good counterpoints to that. Darth Plagueis is a fictional character in the Star Wars franchise. palpatine couldnt hold up with his lightening beacause he weakens up pretty quick like in the duell with mace windu. He has better speed feats, and is stronger physically. … By the way, I checked and found evidence of Lucas's 80% Vader quote. 0. 0. One's weight isn't reflective of their strength, either, especially if their strength is almost entirely derived from Force Augmentation. Durability. Superhero battle match: Darth Sidious versus Darth Plagueis. Created by Foxbaku. The Elder Scrolls metaphysics & philosophy, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis?oldid=6619789. Hopefully whatever small role he has in the upcoming Maul novel will provide new insights on him. He was a Sith Apprentice. Individuals with warrior-like seasoning and unique powers that our male-ingénue sith lord hasn't encountered or has no knowledge of, can take a majority against him. I think I'll go with Lord Palpatine on this one, he seems to have more and better showings. If the argument is that Palpetine wouldn't, and is smart not to risk bereavement in a direct confrontation. @erkan12: Again, he was shocked, and his initial reaction was to shock Vader with maximum intensity bolts which, due to the distance, bounced back upon him and damaged (possibly stunned) him as well. Or does it just mean his deformities worsened, his frame became more emaciated, and he more desperately needed a plan for immortality? @silver2467: Well, by natural assumption, it refers to general frailty (obviously with Force augmentation I would never class Palpatine as frail, but being physically weaker and less durable and possibly slower sounds like it). Round 4: Palpatine's even more powerful than in round 3, so.... yeah...... @silver2467: Well not all is lost while you're still around. @erkan12: He's implied to have entered Oneness before doing that, and it was a surprise (and technically per-ordained) attack anyway. In that case, yeah, Palpatine wouldn't stomp Plagueis. Strength. Sidious wins all rounds. I guess that might leave it more open to discussion in this thread whether RotJ Palpatine is weaker than his previous self or not and makes that round more debatable. Or will the desire of one to rule supreme, and the dream of another to live forever, sow the seeds of their destruction? But I can agree about his force powers, RotJ Sidious is probably stronger than RotS Sidious in terms of Force powers. Scans are in reverse order thanks to the site's intractable image settings.). Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. This is completely irrelevant to the substance in which Plagueis and Sidious both parallel Maul's skill and abilities as a swordsman with Exar Kun, the one of the most legendary Sith Lords in Star Wars history. Speed. In the film, Sidious (as Palpatine) uses Plagueis' story to seduce Anakin Skywalker to the dark side, claiming that Plagueis' abilities in the Force grew to such an extent that he could create life by influencing microscopic force-sensitive entities called "midi-chlorians," and even … Weaknesses: Nothing notable (though his midi-chlorian manipulation isn't perfect, he can still suffocate to death). Darth Plagueis vs RotS Darth Sidious: So Palpetine is declared the most powerful lord of the sith. 18 DARTH PLAGUEIS. Do you mind bringing up some of the sources that imply/say that? @brightsteel: I think it was implied in one of the NJO novels like The Final Prophecy or The Unifying Force? It's probably just my lack of experience with this new site, or I have simply overlooked some details. The fact is, though, that as of TPM, no source has ever declared Palpatine to be the most powerful Sith Lord, whereas by the time of RotS, he has received multiple accolades for that. Voting has ended . this ones tough to call they both have tremens feats, sidious can scorch people to ash's with sith lightning, plagueis can atomise people with force waves, sidious can unleash force storms and rip wholes in the time space continuum, plagueis can control the force's of life and death itself, i think their pretty close regarding force power…but if we're talking lightsaber duals sidious would overpower him. @darthvenki: I'm not so sure about "logically being ahead'. I really just have a lot grasping at my time and attention these days. Out of curiosity, has anyone else read the last issue of Darth Vader and the Ninth Assassin where Palpatine muses about his manipulation of Vader's actions and his influencing Vader's senses? palpatine might have the same abilities but they are not so far advanced like plagueis. (Spoilers. 0. In which case Yoda is the top guy. He was unable to break Vader's one hand grip, (Granted, Vader is physically very strong, but TCW / RotS Sidious is even better than him) and he started to use a walking stick after so many decades. Not that we haven't seen Palpatine influencing Vader's mind or emotions or senses before, because we have (Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, Rebel Force: Target, The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook). http://www.comicvine.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/could-darth-sidious-have-killed-darth-plagueis-in-/97437/, Round 1: Darth Plagueis vs TPM Darth Sidious, Round 2: Darth Plagueis vs RotS Darth Sidious, Round 3: Darth Plagueis vs RotJ Darth Sidious, Round 4: Darth Plagueis vs DE Darth Sidious. if palpatine whas more into becoming stronger with the force he would outmatch plagueis.but palpatine is not really an active duellist he rather lets to do other his dirty jobs. Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious, two extraordinarily powerful Sith Lords, each bearing their own unique abilities and traits. Plagueis took chaos and opportunity and killed his master. Sidious isn't that heavy. Personally, I feel TPM Sidious could beat Plagueis. If it was actually caused by Darth Sidious, would Darth Sidious' powers stay the same upon Plagueis' death, or would it have increased? The same page of the sourcebook delineates the reason for the Emperor's use of a cane, that he carries one to exhibit the pretense of being decrepit. Range: Extended melee range with lightsabers. Darth Plagueis vs DE Darth Sidious: In a neutral setting, where Palpetine is more than a star system(s) shot of his replica bodies. Round 4: Palpatine puts a boot up his ass, every round to him. According to Palpatine, Plagueis grew so incredibly powerful in the Dark Side that he was able to grant immortality to those he deemed worthy. Emperor Sheev Palpatine, secretly the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Sidious, was the last Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, the first and only emperor of the Galactic Empire, and arguably the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy's history.Born into an influential and wealthy family on the peaceful world of Naboo, he became the apprentice of Darth Plagueis in his search for power and … The quote is from the article "Yoda's Right Arm" by Daniel Wallace in Insider #86. Darth Plagueis, Sidiousin sith-opettaja. And I am sorry it has to be that way. Nice one. I think Plagueis is definitely a worthy opponent to DE Sidious. A long time ago, the Sith decided to create the rule of two. After all, one of his most recognizable dueling feats was defeating Saesee Tiin, Agen Kolar, and Kit Fisto, and dismissively killing three highly celebrated and reputed blademasters is a far more momentous accomplishment than dropping three unnamed, fodder Jedi. But, yeah, image and blog glitches have been my bane here. I'm definitely sure that by now, Palpatine is the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, so there's not much contesting to be had here. Does it mean both? I don't think Dooku is anywhere near Sidious, and while the novel->RotS jump for Sidious is probably pretty large, I would be surprised if it were comparable to the gap between him and Dooku given that Dooku basically sees Sidious as a god. RotS Sidious did it with his mere existence for over a decade, which implies superiority to both even combined in the Force. Durability. However, some, and I assume that includes you, reserve the word "stomp" for any ridiculously one-sided victory. Hmm.....Plagueis might have a chance with RotS Sidious then. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. I doubt it's a reference to his lust for immortality, because it's preceded/followed with talk about Sidious being one of the most dangerous humans of history. For the record, I disagree with any suggestions that DE Sidious would stomp Plagueis. @shootingnova: Pretty good find, but does "physically weaker" mean "slower in a duel" or anything like that? @silver2467I understand. Speed. Not that we weren't already aware the Emperor could perform combat feats of this kind already. I just can't remember what exactly happened. Power. "Sinun täytyy aloittaa oppimalla hallitsemaan itseäsi, sitten toisia, sitten ryhmää, sitten järjestöä, sitten planeettaa, sitten kokonaista lajia, sitten lajien ryhmää ja viimeiseksi itse Galaksia." More powerful he may be, and noticeably, but that does nothing to undermine what Plagueis can bring to bear. I interpret the phrase "sustained him beyond his years," the contrast with his disfigurements, and the references to his age to implicitly state that Palpatine's physical strength endured. if palpatine was to win probably in a saber duell but plagueis would win with his force lightening, palpatine couldnt hold up with his lightening beacause he weakens up pretty quick like in the duell with mace windu. I'll try and find it when I can. Summary. Plagueis needs to be implemented narratively more; there is plenty that can still be done with his character. I suppose it really depends on what your definition of "stomp" is. So I've found this to contradict the above quote: Possessed of the boundless power of the Force and adept in the ways of the dark side, Emperor Palpatine was one of the most dangerous and evil Humans in galactic history. Darth Sidious vs Darth Plagueis. Sidious all rounds save for the 1st one. Plagueis actually has really decent chance in a prolonged battle. One Sith Lord more powerful than Vader was mentioned by Senator Palpatine on-screen in Revenge of the Sith. That quote absolutely doesn't apply to Legends content. palpatines intrests where ruling an empire and being the big boss and plagueis was more intrested in experimenting different ways of using the force which nobody else could do before him. You mean DE? Star Wars Stop Motion #6Darth Plagueis death.Next video : Kylo Ren vs Darth Vader.Yes, Plagueis drinks with his nose. Plaguies doesn't hold similar advantages, unfortunately. He'd win a round or two due to his comparable command/mastery of the Force and greater/similar physical stats. 0. Several years before Hego Damask's birth, his father, a Force-sensitive Muun named Caar Damask, who worked as a middle ranking Banking Clan agent, met renowned starship designer Rugess Nome by chance on High Port Space Center. And he's not defeating Yoda, especially with only one real combat feat (Darth Venamis). 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